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Joey Wilson's War; "You lie!"
Topic Started: Sep 10 2009, 09:42 PM (143 Views)
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President Obama said that the proposed health care bill (actually, there are at least five, so any statement about the bill's (singular) contents is kinda silly) does not include providing health care for illegal immigrants. Congressman Joe Wilson shouted, "You lie!"

I haven't been opining much lately; I've just been quietly letting the Dems flush the Constitution, hoping for a peaceful revolution in 2010, restoring America as the Founders intended and thus obviating the need for a violent restoration. However, the you-lie has prompted me to make a small comment.

Congressman Wilson was out of line. He was unnecessarily rude and misused the word "lie." He should be censured by the House, should accept the censure with an air of penitence, and then should put the incident behind him. What he did was rude and played into the hands of those who claim that the groundswell of resistance to the health care bills is just manufactured bickering.

Besides, Obama did not lie. Of course, those on the left had a hand in this particular accusation. Having overused the charge of lying for the past eight years, they have invited its use against one of their own now that they are in power. Still, on a factual level, Obama did not lie. None of the bills call for or specifically allow health care for illegals. Unfortunately, that does not mean that a direct result of one of the bill's passage wouldn't be the provision of health care to illegals. Such would indeed be the result. The bills do not provide for care for illegals, however they make no provision to stop it. In fact, in today's legal climate, health care providers and insurers (and the government) dare not question anyone's immigration status. And, every effort to add provisions to the bills to allow the status of a claimant to be checked (so that care for illegals can be denied) has been defeated pretty much along party lines.

Still, Obama did not lie. Let me remind everyone of my three-pronged test for a lie. In order for one to be accused of lying, (1) he needs to make a false statement, (2) he must know that the statement is false, and (3) he must do it for some kind of personal gain. (2) Obama knows that the statement is misleading and (3) he hopes to gain passage of one of the health care bills with an included "public option," however (1) the statement he made is (technically, at least) true.

What has happened here is what unfortunately happened for the last eight years (and led, in no small part, to our having the current Constitution-destroying government): a legitimate disagreement over policy has resulted in a specious charge of lying.

Make no mistake about it: I think the health care bills amount to thousands of pages of stupidity. The federal government has no Constitutional role in health care. The bills will lead, in short order, to single-payer, and the greatest health care system on the planet will lay in ruin. However, Obama did not (technically) lie, and Joe Wilson was rude to interrupt the speech to make the accusation.

Shame on Wilson.

More shame on Obama and his fellow travelers.
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