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| Topic Started: Feb 28 2008, 02:33 AM (728 Views) | |
| Post #21 Mar 25 2008, 11:15 AM |
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I believe children learn to live in a free society by practicing under the supervision of a parent who can provide persuasive advice to help the child make self-beneficial choices on its own and who can forcefully rescue the child in emergencies. Not letting a child have freedom is like not letting them in the water until they know how to swim; they'll never know how to swim and they'll never be capable of handling freedom let alone even wanting it. I feel that you are agreeing with me about how children will be raised by giving them 'freedom.' You do not agree with me about a person demanding 'freedom' (as I mean it) being something desirable. Is that the case? Freedom comes with as much limitations as it does rights. Each right is a limitation. Perhaps you are thinking of giving the child only rights, but not the corresponding limitations. In my opinion, that is as foolish as giving the child more limitations than rights. True freedom logically cannot include the right to limit other people's freedom. To make a black-and-white example, giving a child freedom not only grants the child the right not to be offensively punched in the face (for perhaps wearing his hat in a direction not liked by the punching adult), but also gives the child the limitation of not being allowed to offensively punch other people in the face. That's what I mean by freedom, and I fully support freedom and want kids raised to appreciate freedom (both in its limitations and rights). I suppose you do not support freedom as I mean it, but I don't know because I do not know if you know what I mean by freedom because I do not think you characterized it well by referring to it as "having the right to do anything they want without fear of repercussion." I would say 'freedom' is having the right to do anything one wants with his own body (and possessions) without other people offensively inflicting harm on him insofar as he does not inflict offensive harm on them. However, if the main point of disagreement is the definition of 'freedom' and on whether it is 'desirable,' then maybe we would both prefer to discuss that in its own thread outside of this parenting forum. As for this thread, I guess my contention is that children's social relations later in life, with other people and their community as a whole, will mimic their relationship with their parent's and family. (By parents, I mean whoever is raising them not necessarily their biological parents.) Thus, the closer to free those relationships are, the more the child will be capable of interacting freely with other people in a free society, and the more the child will respect their own freedom and the freedom of others. How much any of us support or desire any certain type of 'freedom' for the people in society is a topic for another thread. |
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