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| Corporal punishment in schools; New Thread | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 24 2007, 05:43 AM (1,528 Views) | |
| Post #61 Sep 28 2007, 06:16 PM |
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Then don't spank your kids. I found spanking to be a very effective tool in disciplining my children when they were young. I believe it is the reason that all future forms of discipline became effective, making spanking no longer necessary. IMHO, it is a very right thing to do, so I will--or, rather, I did. |
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| Post #62 Oct 3 2007, 04:24 PM | tanack |
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B.Rabbit, you asked about corporel punishment in schools. When i started school (1951) strapping was legal, expelling kids was easy to do. Being hit/strapped was also done without question in parochial schools. I dont recall any getting the strap after grade 9, but by then many kids were already dropping out. Our graduating class was less than a third of those who began 12 years prior. Was the harsh discipline partly responsible ? I think so. But then there was also a lack of respect for students as people. Respect was a one way street. It is no longer legal here to strap or hit kids in school. Has that had some bearing on the greater number who now stay in school, graduate and then go on to further education ? I dont know, but i think so. Certainly our grandchildren who are still in school seem to have positive attitudes about school. But classes are also smaller, that lesses the stress on everyone. My youngest daughter is a teacher. She's been teaching various grades from 3 up in an inner city school. The number of her students who come from hard hard situations at home is heartbreaking. But i've seen her students and former students, girls and boys rush to greet her with open arms when they meet. Her big rule is kindness, kindness and then kindness. School teachers often have the incrediable opportunity to be the only supportive adult some kids will have in their corner. A good teacher deserves all the support and encouragement the rest of us can give. Certainly they get discouraged at times. We need them. Did i answer your question ? Well, i am glad there are no more adults strapping or hitting anyone in school. |
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| Post #63 Oct 3 2007, 05:49 PM |
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| I strongly doubt the linkage between corporal punishment and dropping out. The only evidence you provide is post hoc, ergo propter hoc, which is absolutely unreliable. |
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| Post #64 Dec 31 2009, 10:33 AM |
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This was posted on another board. It was an appropriate extension to this discussion, so I added it here: On the news this morning, a story about a study on spanking was reported. It seems that researchers were looking for bad outcomes associated with spanking. They looked at kids who had been spanked between ages 2 and 6 and kids who had never been spanked. No ill-effects had been found in the "victims" of spanking. Even more shocking was this result:
Check out this Newsweek article for the whole story. I have long been an advocate for spanking children at an age where it is appropriate. When children are too young (this study would imply that under age 2 is too young), they won't understand spanking as a punishment. They will perceive it as an attack which they won't link with the behavior. Except for the cliche smack-on-the-hand-reaching-for-the-hot-stove, I don't recommend spanking under-two's. Between two and six, children's ability to associate punishment with behavior and to perceive spanking as punishment is sufficient that spanking is effective. However, it must be used sparingly, out of love and not anger, and immediately following the offending behavior. It should also be accompanied with a simple but clear explanation of what the unacceptable behavior was. Other forms of punishment should be phased in. However, spanking is the fall-back should the child refuse more abstract forms of punishment. If spanking was properly applied in the younger years, it is almost never necessary beyond age six. (At this age, it should be used only as a fall-back.) Your children already know that you have behavioral standards for them and are willing to take the actions necessary to enforce those standards. They will respond to other, more abstract, punishments. They also are ready to comprehend the most basic moral messages, such as, "How would you feel if someone..." This study seems to bear out my long-time recommendations for corporal punishment, putting numbers to the ages during which spanking is appropriate and effective. |
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