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| Corporal punishment in schools; New Thread | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 24 2007, 05:43 AM (1,038 Views) | |
| Post #1 Sep 24 2007, 05:43 AM |
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| I took the liberty of starting a new thread for this. I thought the goal was to get students to RESPECT teachers. The best paddling kids would accomplish is to get students to FEAR their teachers. I don't think that's what the long term goal is. Respect has to be taught and learned in the home by the kid's parents. |
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| Post #2 Sep 24 2007, 06:02 AM |
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| I don't know of anyone who says that paddling is done to get students to respect teachers. |
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| Post #3 Sep 24 2007, 07:30 AM |
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| Do you really want students to fear teachers? That's what would happen if you start beating them. What exactly does beating a student teach them? |
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| Post #4 Sep 24 2007, 08:12 AM |
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Having the principal or whoever uses the paddle in a school is not "beating" the kid. Same as spanking a child isn't child abuse. It teaches kids to mind and behave. I really believe this is where the children are being dis-serviced. They are not being taught to listen to, mind, be respectful to adults. And we have these young adults thinking they can do whatever they please and nothing is going to interfere with what they want. So the rest of society is put out making room for these self-centered brats. Rather than these kids having a good swat once in a while. |
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| Post #5 Sep 24 2007, 08:40 AM |
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| Why do kids have less rights than adults? If I spanked YOU with a paddle, I would be arrested. If an adults does it to a kid, then it's OK? Violence against kids teaches them that violence is an acceptable means to resolve conflict. Come on people! We need to be better than this! |
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| Post #6 Sep 24 2007, 11:45 AM |
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| I am with badrabbit on this one. While a child too young to understand may need a hand swatted away from an outlet, once a child is old enough to be in school we should use reasoned discipline, not violent discipline. That said, we need way more discipline in our schools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Post #7 Sep 24 2007, 11:53 AM |
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| I bet that one of the reasons why older sibblings hit younger siblings because they see mom and dad hitting them when they're doing something wrong. Kids pattern their behavior after adults. Do we REALLY want kids hitting other people? |
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| Post #8 Sep 24 2007, 12:39 PM |
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I believe that if a child is punished with a spanking and it is explained to the child why the spanking is happening/did happen, then I think spanking is an acceptable form of punishment. I had to spank my daughter once. About 30 minutes (maybe less) after the spanking I asked her if she understood why she got the spanking. She said she did. I then asked her who was responsible for her getting the spanking. She said she was. It was her actions that got her the spanking, and it was after I'd told her to stop doing what she was doing several times. She was plenty old enough (about 6 years old) to understand my words and what I was asking her to stop doing. She didn't stop, she got a spanking. From that one spanking she learned that I meant business when I told her not to do something. She never had to be spanked again. As she knew what I said was what I meant. My daughter never learned not to play with electrical plugs by swatting her hand when she was crawling. I had to go to lengths to make sure she couldn't reach them. She finally learned the pain of electrical plugs when she got a shock as a toddler. (The one plug that I could not hide from her.) |
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| Post #9 Sep 24 2007, 01:46 PM |
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| While I fully respect your right to your opinion, I believe your 6 year old daughter would have understood jsut as well if you withheld a priveledge (especially one related to the issue at hand) or if you gave her a time out rather than having used physical violence. I believe we would have a less vilonent world if people (and countries) used other means to an end than violence. I'm guessing some of these kids who hit in school learned that he who can hurt the most gets their way. And the few with guns learned this lesson all too well... |
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| Post #10 Sep 24 2007, 02:02 PM |
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| You beat me to the punch, CT-95. (Pun intended) |
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| Post #11 Sep 24 2007, 07:25 PM |
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I did not say that. Please stop implying that people say things that they do not. I questioned whether anyone had ever expressed that paddling was to get students to respect teachers. I think that is a straw man. |
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| Post #12 Sep 24 2007, 07:26 PM |
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Children do, under the law, have fewer rights than adults--as they should. |
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| Post #13 Sep 24 2007, 07:28 PM |
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I would bet that it is more due the kids observing hateful violence, rather than disciplinary corporal punishment. There is a difference. |
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| Post #14 Sep 24 2007, 07:33 PM |
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I think that rare, properly applied, and well-intentioned spanking of 6-year olds are more effective than withholding privileges. Having been physically abused as a child, and having raised two kids using very rare spankings without abuse, I feel that I can see the value of spanking. As a teacher, I continually see the results of the spared rod. |
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| Post #15 Sep 24 2007, 10:08 PM |
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I do agree that there is a huge difference betweeen spankings that are done as a rational choice of discipline (not done in anger) and child abuse. I still think that except for issues of safety (grabbing a id out of the street, smacking a hand from a hot stove), it is a wiser choice to punish utilizing non violent methods. |
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| Post #16 Sep 24 2007, 10:45 PM |
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A swat or a spanking is decidedly not "violence." All discipline of children has its roots in some measure of force (not "violence"). Yes, some children are amazingly compliant. However, the overwhelming majority will push the limits, even during discipline, and, if there isn't an element of I-can-make-you-sit-in-the-chair-in-the-corner, then all discipline with almost all kids will fail at some point. For almost all children, mainly at very young ages, it is not a question of when physical discipline will be used, but what physical discipline will be used and how. |
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| Post #17 Sep 24 2007, 11:23 PM |
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CT-95 and BadRabbit, My daughter was given a time out in her bedroom, in which she started kicking the walls, the door and the closet door. She was not listening to reason. She was given a time out because she had asked me to get her a certain food to eat. I then brought her what was requested and she proceeded to tell me that was not what she asked for. I had two adult witnesses that heard the same request and also tried to reason with her. So after being sent to her room and she started kicked things, I told her to stop. She proceeded after 2 requests. So, I should have withheld food, as you suggest. That would have been abuse. I did NOT use violence on my child. I was not angry with her. I calmly walked into her room and said that she was now going to get a spanking. I did not say a word while I spanked her with my hand on her clothed bottom. As I said - she understood why she got the spanking and she understood that she had not minded me. She was responsible for the spanking that she received. A spanking does not beget violence. And I don't necessarily believe that violence begets violence. I too was abused as a child. I did not then abuse my child. I disciplined my child as actions called for discipline. There is a huge presumption from both of you that I used violence on my child. Which if you re-read my original post - my daughter understood what was going on. And a spanking is not violence. It is discipline. And if more parents would use discipline on their children, maybe the world wouldn't be in the condition that it is in. And my daughter did not become a hitter at school or anywhere because she was spanked. She's 21 and a productive member of society. And we have a fantastic relationship. And as she got older, she would tell me that taking away her privledges did nothing to stop her behavior. And as I said in my original post - she only had the one spanking. And smaking her hand never did a thing with my kid. |
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| Post #18 Sep 25 2007, 05:35 AM |
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I know you didn't say that. I did. The "you" in my question is a general "you" - even broader than "you here in this forum". The original post was about the lack of respect of kids for authority figures. It then transformed into someone saying that kids these days need a good swat in the rear. The goal here shouldn't only be kids that behave. The goal should also be for kids to RESPECT authority. I believe that corporal punishment leads to FEAR of authority and teaches that it's more acceptable to hit than it is to use more positive means of discipline. |
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| Post #19 Sep 25 2007, 05:41 AM |
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I doubt that younger kids (and let's face it - it's only youger kids that get spanked) can tell the difference between actors fighting on tv and mommy or daddy giving them a swat on the rear. The child sees an angry authority figure hitting another person to resolve a conflict. They will learn and model that behavior. |
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| Post #20 Sep 25 2007, 05:45 AM |
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I would wager that everyone in this forum would agree that this world needs a lot more discipline. Kids of all ages need to realize that there are consequences for their actions. Looking at the big picture, I believe that corporal punishment is not a good tool. |
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