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| Topic Started: Jun 15 2006, 01:27 PM (260 Views) | |
| Post #1 Jun 15 2006, 01:27 PM | 2BCano |
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Terror Raids What do you think about this? I mean many people think that Muslim groups are being targeted unfarely? is this nessasary? for me you cant be sure, if MI5 believed that they had intelligence of a chemical threat im happy for the police to go in and arrest the suspects. Muslim Groups Protest The only thing is that they found nothing and one man was s-h-o-t ( Under very suspect circumstances) <_< Accounts of how the man was s-h-o-t have been different from every source, police, media and the Man himself :rolleyes: |
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| Post #2 Jun 15 2006, 05:42 PM |
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When police get specific intel about terrorists making a weapon, particularly an NBC weapon, they must act. The possible consequence of not acting far outweighs any possible consequence of acting. When they act, the police will naturally be wary. They will shout orders to anyone on the premises and expect those orders to be followed. People on the premises who do not react properly to the orders and continue to approach the police will be seen as threats. Yet, I can easily visualize I-got-my-rights types stupidly trying to demand them from a worried man with a gun. I can see them making what they think is a perfectly natural move, but that the wary police officer has been trained to be concerned about. That's how people who been clearly instructed to put their hands on their heads get shot for pulling out their wallet or their comb. Usually, these shootings are a combination of wariness by someone who puts their life on the line every day and stupidity or stubbornness on the part of someone who thinks the police are overstepping their bounds. The police have to act according to their best judgment, making split-second decisions. You can sort out what happened, lay blame, and refine procedures after the fact, but we must always be aware that police don't have the luxury of taking their sweet time making what, for them, are life-and-death decisions. Innocent citizens (and I am, by no means saying these people were innocent) will have to put up with police acting on bad information from time to time. We should all respect what law enforcement is doing enough to make sure we don't seem a threat to them. If the police are, indeed, stepping on our civil rights, we are best served if we comply and do not act threateningly toward the man with the gun. There will always be time, if we are alive, to sort things out later. The protesters are knee-jerking without all the information. The police, on the other hand, are remaining prudently mum until they can assemble all the facts. I tend to believe that the police are typical people, people who try to do the right thing, and that there is no plot to target Muslims and shoot them. However, there should be an investigation to establish the truth one way or the other. |
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| Post #3 Jun 16 2006, 09:38 AM | 2BCano |
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It is very understandable that on occasions the police will gain false intelligence, and that in the name of safety they will have to act on i, (Of course before they know it is false). But there seems to be a permanent state of paranoia. Of course police while undertaking a rade of this sort will have to act in the split secound, but the fact that the accounts differ so much some what troubles me, it is hard to be believed that this man was shot for no reason like some people are claiming. The fact that some people are claiming the police were trigger happy while entering the premises doesnt hold with me, what would the locals be saying if the Police had not acted and they had all come under threat at a leter day. Or even that they acted and they found everything they believed to be there. Although 250 armed police officers is a little to the extreme to arrest 2 unsuspecting members dont you think? i mean surely to secur all perimetres is would not take 250 armed guards, mayby 15-20, but 250? surely that shows that the intelligence that was received was believed to have originated from a reliable source :huh:. But how do we distinguish between proper intel intelligence and tip offs from enemies of the suspected family's?? One thing is sure to come out of this, and that is Civil rights groups protests, demonstrations etc |
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| Post #4 Jun 16 2006, 10:10 AM |
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Conflicting versions are to be expected. People view events from differing places, both physically and frame-of-referentially. Some bring agendas to the table. You get differing stories of a car wreck from disinterested bystanders who have no agenda! That is why an investigation is so necessary. Officials should take their time conducting it, while bearing in mind that the police don't have the luxury of taking time to deliberate their actions. Oh, and, in the face of reports of a chemical weapon, 250 officers is a good idea, IMO. |
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